Secular vs. Gospel vs. Christian MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC

IT BEGAN WITH THE TOPIC OF SECULAR MUSIC VERSES CHRISTIAN MUSIC....

@lkgibbs20 :
Man wish I was here for the secular rap talk. Here's my thoughts on it. Secular means non-religious, which is diff. from anti-Christ....

@treborn :
which means Braille & Mr. J. Medeiros make secular music! & this is the great Christian musical debate. Secular vs. Gospel

@lkgibbs20
Not so treborn, Braille proclaims Christ in his songs. Secular doesn't involve a directed focus to God in music.

@treborn
I know Braille proclaims Christ, but some songs are secular aka non-religious. Braille is a smart businessman. He know how to rap
Mr. J Medeiros also directs his lyrics to God & God's love through his non-religious themes

@lkgibbs20
Well, I can't really agree with that. I think that God has used some(Frontlynaz,Braille,etc.) to express the practical implications of our faith, as I said in my album review of Frontlynaz "Game Over" project. Many people don't know how to respond to that however

Some ppl feel safe with only a @lecrae but they would have to mature and know that God uses other ppl mightly in other areas

Braille could rap in secular places Lecrae may neva go, yet Lecrae gets to go overseas

So I dont think that Braille could fall under that whole debate of how Christian rappers rap, ppl need to mature thats all

Mr. J is for the Kingdom to, he makes Jesus known sometimes the clearest and other times he does do artistically, but ppl know

@treborn
yeah. I can relate to Braille lyrics before Lecrae lyrics. Lecrae makes me think of Sin more.
ok. So is there a secular artist that does christian music or a christian artist that does secular music? Besides MA$E

@lkgibbs20
No, secular can't be Christian, its by its nature non-religious. But ppl make secular = demonic, and thats not correct

Mase is honestly on some other stuff, I don't consider him a Christian artist

The last song I heard was with him and Cam'ron, and Dasouth posted it for discussion(ppl beefed with it, they shouldnt have tho)

I won't provide a definitive answer to whether or not Mase is saved, but I see confusion following him, and Christians shouldnt have this. He has done some questionable things the last few things I've heard about him doing

@lkgibbs20
by the way, whats the diff. between Christian music and gospel music?

@treborn
Oh yeah. I meant Gospel music, not Christian. Mase might be a Christian? that makes secular music.
Im thinking of people like R.Kelly "Storm Is Over" or P.Diddy "Best Friend" making gospel songs. Are they Christian?

@lkgibbs20
Nah, they aren't Christian. They believe in God...so do demons. Christ calls for us to follow, and thats through surrender

@treborn
Christian music exemplifies the teachings of Christ. It doesn't always have to be religious. It can be shared in parables too.
Gospel music is a now popularized form of impassioned rhythmic spiritual music rooted in the solo and responsive church singing
Gospel music is central to the development of rhythm and blues and of soul music. Think Elvis, or Johnny Cash

This is in reguards to Lamar defining secular as non-religious. A lot of Christian artists make secular music.

@lkgibbs20
They believe in God...so do demons. Christ calls for us to follow, and thats through surrender

@treborn
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@justparadox
"which means @braillehiphop @mrjmedeiros make secular music" I disagree COMPLETELY Mr J is very Socially Conscious & Braille is too

"I know Braille proclaims Christ but some songs are secular aka nonreligious" all his songs seem to be Christian Rap 2 me

@treborn
I'll make you a compilation. I have every Braille song (not including collabs for other artists).

@justparadox
I have pretty much all of Braille's releases i've listened to his music & his crew and label

Christian rap to me isn't putting doctrine or Jesus name in it socially conscience and responsible songs including social justice

"@MrJMedeiros also directs his lyrics to God & God's love through his non-religious themes" making his music spiritual not secular

@treborn
& that's the difference between Gospel & Christian music

"I can relate to Braille lyrics before Lecrae lyrics Lecrae makes me think of Sin more" cause God cares about life not just sin

"there a secular artist that does christian music or a christian artist that does secular?" no Christianity is multifaceted deeper

@treborn
that would define it as Gospel which r.Kelly & p.Diddy makes. Not always. But churches play gospel music from secular artists

@justparadox
Im thinking of people like R.Kelly "Storm Is Over" or P.Diddy "Best Friend" making gospel songs. Are they Christian? NO NOT EVEN

"Xiamusic exemplifies the teachings of Christ It doesnt always have 2be religious It can be shared n parables too" true it is Xian

Gospel music is central 2 the development of R&B & soul music Think Elvis, or Johnny Cash" U can call it Gospel but its nto Xian

@treborn
which leads me to think: if you have a Ministry, that doesn't (always) mean you are a disciple of Christ?

@justparadox
A lot of Christian artists make secular music" I disagree many serve meat in parables, proverbs & poems its still Christian

Churches may play gospel but its not spiritual if the church plays a R Kelly or P Diddy song still secular

He speaks to listeners shares from his life, about his wife, family, faith... its a wholistic message not just salvation one part

@treborn
yeah! Exactly. I love @braillehiphop cuz he speaks life. Not just a big "Sin No More"! He speaks to listeners not at them!

If Christians follow Christ isn't that Secular? = not pertaining to or connected with religion @LkGibbs20 Matthew 15:8-9

What about Christian artists that do songs about Starbucks or Basketball. Those songs are secular.

but I feel you. Songs don't need a high JPM to be Christian.



Like the Bible, my Music is; Christian, Gospel, Secular, Sanctified & Multifaceted! Proverbs 8:7 Truth in the Form of Hip Hop

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How Do You Get Into Heaven? / Who Knows You? (@johnfehlen)

HOW DO YOU GET INTO HEAVEN? WHO KNOWS YOU?
 
October 4th - WSFC
Pastor John Fehlen

There's a thin line between ashy and classy
If I'm on stage should I not be flashy
Should I be reserved and sanctified
Looking bored and maybe terrified
   Where should I stand. Can't be on the fence
Cuz a shameful heart eventually repents
But should I stay and worship how I do
Or would it be a sin and offend you
   Dont wanna make my brethren stumble
So should I be free or shall I be humble
I feel like your eyes cut me through
I pray you see my heart see the truth
   When you judge I hope you find a friend in me
I need love from you please. Not an enemy
Give me humility give me patience
I need love just like Galatians

The crowd hears this and they'll say
How can anyone ever be saved
(Jesus said)
there are thing some men can't change
But GOD (yes God) can do anything  

Who has sight if I was once blind
Who is righteous if you've been all your life
How far from God are we both
I remember communion as we make a toast
   Do I sin if I beg for some money
Are you perfect if you taste like honey
These comparisons are not that fair
How good is man at the end of the year
   Ive followed the commandments to a T
But I still fall short of Gods glory
Why call Jesus good, only God is good alone
You can do everything & still not have a home
   Wealth won't help, you made the wrong list
Give away your possesions, sing the song like this
Handle the circumstance and deny all evil 
A camel has a better chance entering the eye of a needle 

The crowd hears this and they'll say
How can anyone ever be saved
(Jesus said)
there are thing some men can't change
But GOD (yes God) can do anything
  


Notes:

  
John newton amazing grace
Sinner
Christ is a great savior

Perfect Jew faultless
Hebrew of Hebrews 
Killed followers of Christ
Saul > Paul 


If there's a god shaped hole in my heart
Is there an earth shaped hole in gods heart

Would god accept someone not perfect
Would I go to heaven if I was good but didn't go to church


The rich young ruler
Blind Bart 

Matthew 18:18
Luke 18:18
Luke 13:23
Luke 18:35
Mark 10
Matthew 7

 

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Power Tool, Power Cord, Power Source

Power Tool, Power Cord, Power Source
"SPECTATOR CHRISTIANITY"
1 Corinthians 12:14-31
Ephesians 4:16

When it comes to the body, it needs to function
We got many layers just like an onion
It needs vitality, naturally seen
We're the 'Called Out Ones' visably seen
  spiritually, we can't survive without the head- strong
It's legend that the church don't need them - Dead Wrong!
Might as well, call yourself a spectator
Come for entertainment, then you'll reflect later?
  how can you expect greater, without Respect? Hater!
Let's be a bride & bridegroom, not a neglect-dater
Time for the courtship, yeah, it's important
So you got to invest, if you want to afford it
  watch the credits roll & witness your role
Can't walk a mile, without the foundation of your soul
Not a factory, it's a family - making a movie
Not just a monologue, borrring. How will you move me

Ima just a power tool. Why you look sour fool?
Recharge in this hour too. Before they devour you. 
Where is your power source? Connected to your power cord. 
I need my power source. Not just a power cord.

Let's be concentric components in this organism
More than a group in an organization
No need for twisted motives, and See We Grow!
More than business, pastor's not a C.E.O.
  as we enter this building, it is a doorway
Not a destination, even though more say...
This is our field, not our mission field
Why get people here, when this place they don't feel
  who leaves an impression, like a footprint
How long will it last, after the good's sent
We are simply grains of sand on a beach  
Be an ambassador, get out there and reach
  don't just go to sit. Stand up and be it
What good is a hospital hosting no one that's sick?
Rather burn out than rust out, watch the blood spill
We been ill, but still, a doctor's love will heal

Ima just a power tool. Why you look sour fool?
Recharge in this hour too. Before they devour you. 
Where is your power source? Connected to your power cord. 
I need my power source. Not just a power cord.

 

CRUISIN with @BCOBB901 (Lyrics)

This life is a highway. I ain't in a hurry
Look in the rearview. You know it's blurry
Pay attention! They got you swerving (hittin curbs)
Time to 180. Cause the road is turning (hittin curves)
  These tires are burning. What are you learning
Respect is deserving. But you got to earn it
You're gonna get Left, if you don't t Right
Be my passenger, we can ride all night
  Is it about the journey or the hesitation
Is it revelation, or a simple explanation
Obey traffic laws-be safe. No hesitation
Holla if ya hear me. Across the nation
  time to break it down. You know we cruisin
He was beaten down. Broken & bruisin
Now you look confused. You know what I'm doin
I'm a Praise-A-Holic! CHRIST!!! You need to pursue Him! 

Is Church that Bad? (In Reply to @PastorRuss09)

I'm a first generation Christian & I thirst for church. I find it such a privilege to be fed & gain knowledge for free!

I suggest listening to Da T.R.U.T.H.'s sermon on Worship in the Local Assembly & see what a benefit it is to be in church and worship. He compares it to being fans of Oprah, Mike Jack, & the Celtics. How everyone unites and cheers for their idols. And in the same way we need to cheer for Jesus & idolize our creator.

I can see how a PK would like to rebel, because I rebelled from the environment I was raised in. So in a way it could be debated whether it's nature or nurture too.

We are blessed with the opportunity to choose our church. I feel like the church has done a lot of extreme things to bring in the generations. A church down the street from me now has a Drive-In service.

It's not like they aren't trying. I can't get enough that's why I get free sermons/podcasts from iTunes. I've gone to church even when I can't step foot in the building.

Like Da TRUTH says; we need that desire for God. And if we don't we need to ask God to put the desire in our hearts. It's all there, we just need Him to spark the flame inside us.

That's me though. I lived 16 years without following Christ & it took me 7 more years to figure out I need to not just follow Christ but know Him.

To me Church is like the gym. I go there to build the body & I'm addicted. It's not just a routine. But to some it is. It's not just to be healthy. But to some it is. I go because I love going. I enjoy seeing people there. I don't even mind a membership fee. It is all worth it to me.

I know with technology there are several ways we can get the church without going to church, but it's like a concert. Da TRUTH is right. You need to feel the Spirit move. That is so worth it. The experience. The look. The feel. The vibe.

I love it.

Cheer for the Hometown Hero!

As I write this, I am witnessing a spider weave it's web.

It came from another place, and made a perimeter. From there it created a strong center to be its home base. After building a strong enough foundation it expanded to it's outer boundaries and webbed back to the core. Once it was finished it gladly sat in the middle and rested. It was home, for now.

I can't help but think this is how our Ministry should be.

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We are equal & need to unite equally for God! We all play different rolls but we should be pumping out 100% passion 100% love and so on. We are only as strong as our weakest link!

This is why I posted my question. I haven't been disciplined (as a disciple) one on one, but I've searched my heart and I've explored God's word to strengthen my faith. Sometimes I feel weak or incomplete.

So as (Rappers) Ministers preach to the lost, I feel left out. Although I can gain from them, I need to be edified too. Not just know how to crank a Holy Ghost version. That's why I love being able to 'bump' some & 'breathe' others. If you don't preach to the choir, who does, Top 40?

I guess at times I get discouraged & as a first generation believer/Christian I feel weak or less important than those raised in the church. Then they rebel and sin and I just shake my head. How can people leave or rebel from something others are dying to know and living to serve? Boggles my mind!

I love hearing different perspectives because not everyone is a light skinned guy born and raised in the Bay Area. Not everyone was influenced by MC Hammer, Too $hort, & 2pac.

Not everyone left the gang life or thug styles to pursue God. I understand there is a need & a calling for us to reach those we left. But I think the church needs awareness too. They need to be loved and cherished and ministered to.

I completely understand that a hospital's purpose is to heal the sick, but where do the doctor's go when they are ill?

I think we have lost the personal connection and the original point of discipleship. We now want our ministry to multiply in quantity instead of quality. Don't get me wrong, not every minister is like this. But we as Christians need to know our responsibility as Christians.

Share the gospel.
Be examples.
Inspire non-believers.
Encourage each other.
Edify our family.

I know I can quote 2pac; "How can we fix over there if we ain't fixed home yet?" I strongly agree with him on this. How can we reach those out there when we haven't reached those in our own house, our own family, our neighbors, our community??? How far did Jesus go? That's why I admire the hometown hero.

Michael Jackson for the Love of Christ!

I couldve watched it Live online but decided to be different than everyone else. 

I've heard everyone and their pastor talk about it online via social networks so it kind of ruined it for me.  

With everyone so jazzed up about MJ it kinda killed my feelings and impression for/of him. No one cared when he released his last CD. No one has cared what his life was like the past 7 years. The only ppl that cared were ppl going to see him on tour soon. 

But now that he no longer exists ppl want to jump back on the wagon and share with the world how close to Michael they were or how connected to his music they were or how his music has affected them. Fine.  

But where the hell have these ppl been? They weren't telling us a single thing about MJ within the last decade. They just came out of no where. It posses me off big time. 

Not to compare the king of pop with the king of kings because that's blasphemy, but in some ways this is how it was with Jesus. 

They crucified this man. They never believed him. They didn't listen to him. They never followed him. They might have never even seen him in person. But now that he is dead, EVERYONE wants to be connected to him somehow. Not because of what he did. If it was for what he did it wouldve been clear you were with him back when he was touring. The truth is, they only mention his name because he is FAMOUS. Everyone has heard of him. Now everybody wants a piece of his light so they can seem brighter. Well it doesn't work that way. 

You cannot be known for knowing a famous person. It's so disappointing how this world reacts. I just pray that one day we will all unite like this for the love of Christ!

It's a mad world.  We live in a stark raving, sick sad little world.     

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My peer and good friend Fresh Mann asked me to jump on a song for a Mixtape from Death2Self Records.

He said he had me in mind for this song that included my name. He asked if I had ever heard the song "Party Like A Rockstar". I honestly answered NO. Ge told me the concept was flipping it from rock/rockstar to chris/christian. 

Because I hadn't heard the original, he played the first minute of the song so I would get a good idea of where we're coming from. I noticed that they were mocking white boys, skateboarders, and possibly punk rockers. I decided to mock some of the music they play where I'm from. 

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